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Updates from February, 2009

  • Anthony Persaud

    11:00 pm on February 26, 2009 | 17 | # | Reply
    Tags: , feedback,

    Ok, a new salsa dance video episode coming next week, but, it is time for me to ask again for your feedback and learn what would be cool for Addicted2Salsa to do next. Here are a few ideas we have been thinking about:

    1. A Facebook applicaiton to grow the @ddicted community.
    2. A better video application on the front page so people can submit cool salsa videos to share.
    3. Subtitles for our dance podcasts episodes. So other dancers that do not speak English can follow along our videos in their native language.
    4. A world wide salsa night club / events page.

    What ideas can you come up with?

     
    • jovi 1:38 am on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

      where is salsa?

      I got this idea from topological maps. High areas of a region are colored white(e.g. top of the mountains) and low regions are dark green. You can see an example in the link below.
      http://www.weltkarte.com/europa/spanien/topographie-mallorca.png

      So i was thinking it would be nice if there would be a map but instead the hight of the area the color would be based on number of salser@s.
      Would be fun to see, how salsa is spread all around the world and where the most salser@s are :)

      more concrete:
      1. people can enter their location
      2. a simple visualization of the data is presented(don’t need to be as complex as in the example, bars or icons wold be satisfyeable)(google maps api?)
      3. integration with Anthony’s point 4 ?

    • Marco

      Marco 6:32 am on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

      This may already be done and I’m just unaware-If so hit me with the bad idea ray gun.

      The vids are quite progressive now and the phrase “refer to our earlier videos” is mentioned often.

      How about a more robust organization of the previous vids. (The youtube stuff especially). Could be just a simple Vid 1-25?

      To take it one step further, separate the dance vids from the non dance tutorials.

      There is already something like this on the A2S dance vids site but it is a little inconsistent.

      Sorry if this one is rough/harsh..I have serious man love for this site, and I was late getting out the door *before* I decided to post.

      Maybe more ideas later.

      • jovi 3:12 am on February 28, 2009Permalink | Reply

        how are you guys thinking about a roadmap from beginner to pro? I mean to define milestones and say if someone reaches this milestone, (s)he should understand/able to do following things:… . To have a “lead” video(for each milestone) which describes best way how to reach the goal(milestone), this video may change over time. And to have further videos for people who didn’t got the idea after watching the lead-video.

    • tommrod 2:14 pm on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

      how about adding the actual beat number so you don’t have to be counting while you dance?
      or pointing out graphically to the beat in some way…

      • Anthony Persaud

        Anthony Persaud 2:43 pm on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

        haha. I just had a picture of a Sesame Street like Count Dracula saying “1….2….3… AH..AH..AH..”

        • Marco 7:26 am on February 28, 2009Permalink | Reply

          Does final cut have a mod for lightning flashes? (Sorry off topic)

        • tommrod 11:48 pm on February 28, 2009Permalink | Reply

          lqtm (laughing quietly to myself)

    • martinho 7:51 am on March 3, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Hi
      I’ve discovered your website a few months ago and found it amazing!
      I’ve read your idea concerning the subtitles for online lessons.
      If you like, I’m able to translate it into french, that’s quite difficult to find a good french website teaching salsa with good video quality…
      Cheers
      Martin

    • Hi-meh 2:14 pm on March 4, 2009Permalink | Reply

      1, 2, and 4 sound good, but I especially like 4.

    • Seena 3:10 pm on March 5, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Hi Anthony,

      I emailed you about a similar issue, then found this page, so a bit of a repeat:

      (A) I agree 100% with Marco’s comment and jovi’s followup above. Related to this:

      (B) I want to download every single video that you have, preferably in HD quality. However, there are discrepancies between the videos on youtube, iTunes, and addicted2salsa. Some sites have different videos or more/less videos.

      For example:
      youtube playlist: Has 76 videos
      youtube videos: Has 42 videos
      addicted2salsa: Has 42 videos (I think these 42 videos are different than the youtube ones though)
      iTunes: Has 20 videos

      As you can see, for example, iTunes only has 20 videos. Can we have it so that at least one location has every video, preferably downloadable and in HD?

      Thanks a lot for the videos regardless, thanks,
      Seena

      • Anthony Persaud

        Anthony Persaud 4:50 pm on March 5, 2009Permalink | Reply

        (A) Ok.

        (B) The main source for all videos is at http://videos.addicted2salsa.com . Currently we don’t allow HD video downloads directly until we find a better mechanism to remove “scrapers” from killing our bandwidth (scrapers are like web robots that show the video on their site while streaming it from our site).

        Currently there is ordering on our videos since we only plan what we will shoot ahead of time. It’s not like we have this great organization of what we will shoot for the next two years :-) , who knows, we might be bankrupt by then.

        What we will do is organize the videos on videos.addicted2salsa.com to let you know what “we feel” is a beginner, intermediate or advance move – but that is really subjective given the different learning curves for individuals.

        Anyways, just wanted to say “I hear you requests, I just haven’t figured out the best option yet given our time and my (very small) budget”.

        :-)

    • valvare6 8:27 pm on March 6, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I vote for the following:
      ==> A world wide salsa night club / events page.

      Although, I would also suggest sending out a survey for upcoming videos. Perhaps you can tally who wants to learn what and go from there..

    • susieqsalsa

      susieqsalsa 12:21 pm on March 8, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Oh, I got an idea and if you did this, it’s something I would pay money for this service…..

      I take dance classes in a group setting where there isn’t much opportunity for personal growth through constructive criticism, the harsh truth we need to be able to fully embrace improvements needed to grow in our salsa journey.

      I would like to be able to film myself dancing with my partner the moves I am learning from your collection of videos and upload them to you so you can critique me and point out areas of strengths and weaknesses. Then you can suggest tips to improve my moves. This is something that I think people may want to pay for, as everyone who joins your group most likely respects your opinion and would want to hear it….

      The other idea I got would be to create a gallery where people who are learning and doing the moves learned in your videos can upload videos of themselves where members of the group can vote on the favorites. And maybe the members can even share comments, tips and pointers based upon what they see in the video (like youtube). It would be a virtual community based on videos and not just a worded dialogue. And if you want to make money on this idea, you can charge the user a small fee to upload their video to the community for review, perhaps.

      I think that would be a fun way to foster unity within our salsa community! What do you think?

      • jovi 2:19 am on March 9, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Good question, bad question.
        It is ok to ask “what can I improve?” but it is not ok to say “Tell my partner what he did wrong!”. Don’t forget to ask your partner to movie him AND to be alowed to upload the video. (I would not like somebody movie my mistakes and show them to the rest of the world without my permission!)

        “people who are learning and doing the moves learned in your videos … members of the group can vote on the favorites.” prety funny, I would also like to see the best Anthony&Julie dancing clone. :D other question is if Julie&Anthony want to face this competition?

        • Julie

          Julie 4:25 pm on March 9, 2009Permalink | Reply

          Agreed- respect for your partner is always important. It sounds like susieqsalsa is looking for advice for herself though, which is great.

          As for people dancing our combos, I would love it! “Facing the competition” is absolutely not what this is about, the whole point of the website is to share salsa with the community, and I by no means claim to be among the best dancers. Please do share videos! We all have something to learn.

    • Julie

      Julie 10:22 pm on March 8, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Great idea! What some people have done in the past is to upload your video to Youtube, and then paste the link on this website to receive advice from the Addicted2Salsa community. It seems to work out well, since you get a variety of constructive feedback. It is wonderful that you recognize (and seek out) criticism as a method of improvement – so many of us hate that criticism, even though we know we need it! Feel free to post a link, we’d all be happy to give you feedback (you can also ask for any specific feedback you may be looking for) :-)

    • Susieqsalsa 1:08 am on March 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Thank you, Julie! I finally got to record while I am dancing but didn’t get permission from the partner to upload to the internet. So, in honor of that person’s privacy, I won’t upload it. But I will wait til next time to record when I am dancing with my regular partner where we do many of the addicted2salsa video moves that we learn.

      This recording is the first time I’ve seen myself dance since I started taking lessons about 7 months ago. It was fun and exciting to see this and I also spotted things I didn’t like about the way I dance and started making changes to that right away. I also like that I can track my progress as time goes by. I know I will be grateful for that someday!

      And I also am making an effort to record the end of my classes so I can review the moves and practice at home.

  • 10:12 pm on February 26, 2009 | 4 | # | Reply

    Does anyone know what the Merecumbé and the Pachanga dances are? The internet doesn’t seem to have much on it and i need help for a class project.

     
  • 5:52 pm on February 26, 2009 | 2 | # | Reply

    Does anyone know what the song is at the begining of the podcast regarding the 180 degree cross body lead with turns?

    Thanks!

     
    • Marco

      Marco 9:56 pm on February 26, 2009Permalink | Reply

      ‘Manias’ by Tito Nieves.

      (Listed right under the vid ;2)

      • Sruti 12:01 pm on February 28, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Marco. That was it! I downloaded the song. It was different than I expected. Seemed very mellow for the most part and since I don’t speak spanish yet I will save it for later to savor :)

  • Marco

    9:38 am on February 25, 2009 | 6 | # | Reply
    Tags: "es por que tienes bad bref...HAMBA!", breath helpers

    Salsa dancers are always walking a fine line of etiquette. We have to look good and smell right, but our chosen activity seems to fight these very qualities. Temporary halitosis is a nemisis on the dance floor. We seen it’s many forms and use unique ways to identify it’s presence among us.

    Submitted for your amusement is a smattering of identifiers;

    There is the time honored “His breath is kickin’ like” series. Just insert the latest karate name at the end e.g. Bruce Lee, Jet Lee, Jackie Chan, Kung Fu Panda are but a few. Also in the kicking vein are the animal set (e.g. mule, and rodeo horse).

    Some get right to the point; “I think something died and crawled in her mouth.” or “Someone must have slipped some pooh in her drink.”

    My favorites include the use of local props to drive home the point; “His toungue must hold it’s breath when he sneezes,” or “I think I saw his teath ducking when he exhaled.”

    Lastly, you still manage to hear the educated set using the venerable Latin terms to identify potential hazards; “Hmm…looks like a classic case of ‘Inkiestae Outhmus.’” “I have to agree doctor, with an outside chance of deteriorating into full blown ‘Ittyshae Reathbus’”

    Please feel free to add to the list!
    ——————————————————————-

    All kidding aside for a moment, I am shopping for a new brand of breath mint. I consider gum to be a bit tacky (don’t ask me why.) After a tiny bit of research I have discovered that any breath corrector that contains sugar is a huge faux pas. Apparently this is akin to throwing a cow into shark infested waters. Namely the sugar feed on the sugars and throw out by undesireable by products that smell like rotten eggs or used gym socks. So stay away from the old school peppermint candies that you see at the checkout in restaurants.

    I usually roll with rolled mints. The fancy containers tend to make noise while dancing. My old brand was tic tacs, and my current brand is “Breath Savers.” According to the packaging, it’s supposed to last for 3 hours. I’m not sure about that. I read about these “Zox breath mints” (http://www.therabreath.com/art_breathmint.asp)
    Has anyone ever used these? They contain Xylitol which my dentist has mentioned before as a tooth and oral beneficial.

    What works for you?

     
    • jovi 9:53 am on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      “What works for you?”
      toothbrush and toothpaste :)

    • me 3:52 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      lol funny post. I use breath savers as well! Breathmints are a must! I have not experimented though..

    • valvare6 4:08 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Last night while dancing I was chewing gun just so that my breath would be fresh, but It’s definitely not the best approach. I would have to say mints are the best!

    • Julie

      Julie 5:51 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Funny lines! I think hydration is key – let’s go for prevention instead of covering it up :-O You could also bring a mini bottle of Scope mouthwash to refresh halfway through the night.

      @valvare6: a note on gum for ladies…it can be a big mistake! I’ve had a few mishaps having to do with gum and wearing my hair down. My hair ends up in my mouth and my gum ends up in my hair! I’ve been sticking with breath mints too :-)

    • SalseroWannaBe

      SalseroWannaBe 6:21 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Drink hot mint, lot of it. Most of the bad breath comes out of your stomache :D

    • hooknc 6:39 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      As Juile said, lots of water really helps.

      For at the club I like the breath strips:
      http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=listerine+pocketpaks&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=2688124435&ref=pd_sl_3hexxq8ros_b

      I also own a tongue scraper that I use every time after I brush my teeth. It’s a breath saver.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue_scraper

  • Anthony Persaud

    8:28 pm on February 24, 2009 | 0 | # | Reply
    Tags: feed, , rss,

    Our video feed has changed! If you are not using iTunes for the Addicted2Salsa podcast videos and would like to download them separately, we have moved our RSS feed to http://feeds.addicted2salsa.com/addicted2salsa . There you are able to download the latest dance video episodes for your viewing pleasure.

     
  • 1:23 pm on February 20, 2009 | 2 | # | Reply
    Tags: Salsa Instruments Timing Beat rhythms melodies

    Aloha,
    Check out Alex Wilson’s “Salsa Con Soul Timing Workout” – single on iTunes for $0.99
    On the track Alex goes over how basic instruments contribute to the rhythms and melodies in salsa music.
    Enjoy

     
    • cheeks 8:58 pm on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

      i downloaded this. thanks! its pretty useful.

    • dahvee 11:42 pm on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Its also avaible via emusic.com for those who have a subscription.

  • 7:23 am on February 20, 2009 | 12 | # | Reply
    Tags: alcohol, , energy, red bull

    How does everyone prepare themselves before going out dancing when it comes to supplying themselves with enough energy to last the night? Is anyone here conscious of what they put into their bodies, or is everyone just Red Bulling it or drinking their share of alcohol.

     
    • SalseroWannaBe

      SalseroWannaBe 7:31 am on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Usually, I get little of alcohol while dancing – it’s easy to overdose and start loosing coordination (remember, the border is just “one drink more”). But if you do, rather beware of beer, cause it makes you sleepy. Rather a shot or two of vodka gives you a “kick” and coolness. My best dancing although was after two glasses of French wine earlier at my friend’s cafe :) . Also redbulls are not making me feel good when dancing. I get disconcentrated and bad mood. Isotonics like Powerade are much better – gives you rehydration (and refreshes you also if you’re tired: you’re brain needs water and muscles need B6 and Mg)

    • Don Vaillancourt 7:42 am on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I had a Red Bull yesterday and I crashed after an hour. Plus I was making some mistakes, maybe it does as you suggest. I’ve stopped drinking beer, simply cause I’m trying to be healthier.

      What I used to do which I haven’t done in a while and think will restart is having a bowl of couscous with raisins, nuts and either shrimp or scallops. This used to work pretty well as I recall.

    • SalseroWannaBe

      SalseroWannaBe 8:26 am on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Exactly – glucose. Redbulls kill me too while dancing. I forgot to add in previous post that it’s all about hydration, Mg, and GLUCOSE (sugar). Your couscous is an energy bomb. Still, a one shot of vodka is proven to work great for your mind, revives you and gives you also lot of energy. Two shots make you smooth, after another one you start to have a drinking, not dancing night :)

    • Marco 9:29 am on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Usually just water and if there is any candy lying around I’ll knock those out. I have’nt been to any events that go past two in the morning though.

    • jovi 10:42 am on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      If i am amused and not hungry then everything is fine, i can go party for days :) .

      Bevore i go dancing i eat something. But some food makes me feel heavy and slow. Most italian meals works great for me :) .

      If i feel bored or not good then i prefer my bed. I dance like i feel so there is no winner when i stay in effort.

    • tommrod 11:52 am on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      pure unadultered shot of good ‘ol stamina
      as my nephew points out before he goes tracking…meals 18 hours before will have an effect on performance.
      so there make sure you had eaten enough carbs to keep you trhough it… 18 (or so) hours before.

    • tommrod 11:54 am on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      forgot about the water too, dehydration and high body heat might cause later on to have to enjoy the pains of a kidney stone or so.
      so yeah always have to have water no matter what…

    • juliewebster 5:43 pm on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Ok are you ready for a real healthy answer?

      First it is important to hydrate ahead of time as this will keep your energy up. Drink a lot of water (around 60 to 80 ounces) over the 24 hour period before going out to dance.

      Second, have a nutritious meal including some healthy protein like fish or chicken (not beef as it can make you too aggressive!). Along with the protein have a bunch of green vegetables or a big salad. AVOID too many refined carbohydrates like pasta or bread as it will make you crash early. Instead have a small portion of healthy carbohydrates like whole grain brown rice or lentils or beans as they will give you a longer lasting energy. Just remember to not eat too much carbs or you will get sleepy!!!

      Hope you try this. Believe me it will help!!!

      http://www.julie-webster.com
      http://healthandnutritionexperts.wordpress.com

    • ami 8:09 am on February 23, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I can never dance on an empty stomach, but I always eat 1 – 2 hours before going to the party/practice
      I usually drink water or Coca-Cola (it’s not healthy, but works for me). I never drink alcohol when going dancing, because I get dizzy and I develop the “two left feet” condition :)
      When I’m going to salsa congresses, where lack of sleep is involved, I drink red bull and coffee too

  • SalseroWannaBe

    5:01 am on February 20, 2009 | 2 | # | Reply
    Tags: salsa song anthony can't sing

    Hey boys and girls! I’m looking for that tune name, I hear it from time to time, but no clue about author/title :/. I don’t know Spanish, and Midomi seems to work only with Anthony’s bad singing… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFRO0P3XAc

    Help anyone :)

     
  • 5:03 pm on February 19, 2009 | 38 | # | Reply
    Tags: ,

    Timing…AGAIN!

    Keeping comparing the styles on1 and on2 I noticed that Eddie Torres on his timing video talks about staying on time and on beat.
    So i wonder, what is this beat, actually?

    ? Is it correct to say that:
    -the beat on1 starts with 1 and finishes with 4 or start on 5 and finishes 8
    while
    -the beat on2 starts and finishes with 2 and with 6, so there is a beat going from 2 to 6 and a beat going from 6 to 2
    ?

    I notice that people when learning On2 consider a beat according on the intervals they learn to count…123-567 or 234-678.

    How is the concept of beat applied in Chacha, then?

    Personally I am pratically confident with how I can keep both timing and beat…and I can notice that my upper body is more beat oriented, while my feet have to keep going on time.
    Notwithstanding with the correct concept of beat, instead, many people don’t move their upper body and baricentrum correctly, and therefore TEND to go out of time as well!!

    Nice weekend to everybody!! :-)

     
    • jhonsky 1:44 pm on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Im not sure if I understand correctly your questions/comments, but here is my take on it.

      I think technically the beat or “the rhythm” has no directions, forward or backward.

      Recently, Anthony showed that the conga plays on 8-8.5-2 and 4-4.5-6 throughout the music.
      Having learned from Tito Puente, Eddie Torres actually steps on TIME with the conga (open and slap), which actually falls on the BEAT 8-8.5 and 2, instead of 1 and 2.
      (Vice versa on the 4-4.5 and 6, instead of 5 and 6).

      I read it somewhere that Eddie Torres didnt even put the actual counting system (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) until some ballroom dancer asked him too. Prior to that, I believe he learned it all by simply listening to the music.

      On1 dancers step and break exactly on the BEAT and TIME 1 of the music.

      For Cha-Cha, Anthony went over the idea that it can only be danced on2 in order to step correctly on the instrumental rhythms. (Check out previous podcasts on “The magic of real Cha-Cha”)

    • tommrod 11:45 pm on February 21, 2009Permalink | Reply

      mmmmmy brain hurts…

      :(

      i just don’t get it….

    • lonbluster 9:07 am on February 22, 2009Permalink | Reply

      :-(

    • jovi 5:20 am on February 23, 2009Permalink | Reply

      hey bud, why the long face? :)

      @0:56 “Basic TIMEstap is executed over 2 measures”
      @0:50 “One measure is from here to center”(begin to middle)
      @1:00 “4 beats per measure”
      @2:08 “The man break back on the 2nd beat with the right foot”(listen him counting)

      as far as i understand:
      12345678 12345678 beat
      1 2 time

      12345678
      123 567 i would count while dancing on 1
      234 678 he counts while danced on 2

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DimToE_w4jk

      correct me if i am wrong

      • jovi 5:23 am on February 23, 2009Permalink | Reply

        my nice formatings :(
        so here again

        as far as i understand:
        12345678×12345678 beat
        1xxxxxxxx2xxxxxxx time

        12345678
        123x567x i would count while dancing on 1
        x234x678 he counts while danced on 2

    • tommrod 11:14 pm on February 23, 2009Permalink | Reply

      can we have some musicologist to kind of settle this thing?

      • lonbluster 7:13 am on February 24, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Tommrod for your concern. :-)

        Just to put it in another point of view: if, while dancing on2, I count 123-567, like Eddie Torres does, I notice I can only dance slow songs with ease, while, if I want dance on2 with fast songs I’d much better want to count 234-678.
        The difference on counting, even if the break is always on2 and on6, allows my body baricentrum to move differently.
        Of course, I got the rithm, I won’t count anymore, but just listen to the instruments, conga, clave, etc.
        Anyway every sometimes I have to count in order to focus better, in order to settle the timing(and the beat?) in my body.

        My point of view here is both that of a leader and a teacher, provided that if I can teach my follower on the proper timing, in some way I would get a better average dance!!

    • IncaPie 7:13 am on February 24, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I am not sure where some of the commenters have gotten there ideas about counting 234 on2.

      In both styles, on1 and on2, you count the same 123 pause 567 pause. That is two measures of music (notice that for a musician like the conguero, the music would actually be counted to 4 twice, not to 8, since it is in 4/4 timing; we count to 8 as dancers because our basic step requires two measures of music to complete the footwork phrase. So we need different numbers 1-4 for going backwards, 5-8 for going forward, for example.)

      The difference is not in what numbers you count or step on, nor in what foot you use for that count. The difference is where you place your feet at each count.

      In on1 style, the lead breaks forward with the left foot on the first beat of music (the 1). A break is when you separate your feet from a together/neutral position. Then the lead steps in place on 2 with the right foot, and finally replaces the left foot to neutral position on 3. PAUSE. Now the lead breaks back with the right on 5, in place with left on 6, and replaces the right foot to neutral on 7. Pause.

      In (NYC) on2 style, the lead steps in place or slightly back on the left foot on the (count) 1. They break back on the 2 with the right foot. They step in place on 3 with the left. Over the count of 4, which is a pause in on1 style, the lead takes an “air step” bringing their right foot from the back break position to slightly forward of the left foot, not shifting their weight onto it until count 5. Then the lead breaks forward on 6 with the left foot, and in place on 7 on the right foot. There is another “air step” over count 8 with the left foot, which is brought backward and only stepped down on the 1. Repeat. These airsteps and the overall lack of a neutral position are what give on2 style its grace and smoothness.

      In actual ballroom mambo, you do step on 234, 678. But not in salsa.

      I hope that clears some of this up. I have taken on2 lessons from multiple Eddie Torres dancers, including Melissa Rosado who is his regular dance partner. I just met with her this past weekend.

      Keep the discussion going if there are any more questions.

      • lonbluster 7:24 am on February 24, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Hi IncaPie, we were writing in the same moment…but I posted first, I guess…just take a look at the answer to Tommrod.
        Can you easily dance On2 and stay on time when you count 123-567 on FAST songs?

        You say:

        we count to 8 as dancers because our basic step requires two measures of music to complete the footwork phrase. So we need different numbers 1-4 for going backwards, 5-8 for going forward, for example.)

        I would “also” say we count up to 8 because the clave pattern is lasting 2 measures.

    • IncaPie 7:17 am on February 24, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I just want to clarify my last comment where I said both styles count a pause, but then said that on2 dancers don’t take a pause. That is right, but I mean that in counting, neither count the 4 or 8 because there are no steps on those counts. But on2, the dancers do not actually pause on those counts, they are moving their foot from one position to another without shifting the weight until the next count with a “step” (5 or 1). This is the “air step” I was referring to.

    • jovi 8:07 am on February 24, 2009Permalink | Reply

      some music theory:

      tick by a metronome is a beat. of course there is not allways a metronome, so people count the beats(1&2&3&4&) in equial temporal distance in their minds.

      usually in salsa there is a 4/4 beat but it is counted like eighth note
      http://www.freedrumlessons.com/drum-lessons/eighth-notes.php
      clave example
      http://www.freedrumlessons.com/drum-lessons/son-clave-beats.php

      all the musicians counts the same beats(shared metronome, clave is the reference) so they play at the same speed and this is also good for the rhytmic instrument notation(several rhytmic instruments on a single peace of paper, more precise on same music-notation row).

      according to music theory there is no 2-5, 6-1 on2 and 1-4, 5-8 on1 partitioning at the same time for a song.
      vertical lines (in standard music notation) devide the beat partitionings(+ x/y at the beginning of the song or row).

      why 4/4 and not 3/3 or 3/4 or 100000/100000 beats? theoretically every possibility would work, but it should make musicians live easy. And 4/4 is easy for salsa because rhytmic instruments plays usually on beats and exactly in the midle of two beats and after 4 beats there is a kind of repetition of the pattern. (many dancers also don’t differentiate on1 and on5, (on2 and on6 as well)).

      if you buy ballroom music then there is often a “? bpm” anotation which means “beats per minute”. this tells you how much clock-time you have to wait from one beat to the next one.(how fast you have to dance)

      so once beat started, for the musician means: beat = time.
      (remember clock-time is not given by nature, it is defined and standartisized by human)

      ——-
      “beat”, “time” are just words, often people use same word for different concepts or vice versa.
      this discusion confuses me. what exactly do you mean by beat and time and what are you counting(steps, beats,…)?

      • lonbluster 11:01 am on February 24, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Hi jovi
        Thanks for the extensive follow ups…

        I have quite a good music knowledge, anyway, having played guitar for long, even if I am not confortable with the English terminology for it.
        Actually not in the video above, but I have heard somewhere else a good teaching concept from Eddie Torres saying “Stay on time and stay on beat”, so that for time he’s meaning the counting, while for beat I think he means referring the conga tumbao to step precisely on 2 and 6.
        This “precisely” for me has the meaning of moving appropriately the upper body (baricentrum), not only the feet. So I see this phantomatic “BEAT” as a different concept both from measure and counting. Then if you read the beginning of my first post you see what I mean.

        Thanks again

        Have a great dancing time!

    • IncaPie 9:00 am on February 24, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @lonbluster,

      Thanks for the heads up. I think you are absolutely right about counting to 8 because the clave’s phrase takes up 2 measures. That is a great point. A good listener will notice that the phrasing of most salsa melody is also 2 measures (piano and vocals). That is, the pattern of the lyrics/vocals and the piano often repeat every 2 measures, or 8 counts (quarter notes). [This is a simplified analysis. Please don't take this to refer to every situation.]

      In regards to dancing on 234 to keep up with faster songs, I have not had this problem. I don’t know how commonplace that issue is, honestly. I would like to hear from others their experiences with that. I make sure to take close, small steps except in certain styling cases (like mambo-jazz, if you are familiar) and shift my weight on the beat. There are songs that wear me out faster, sure, like “aguanile” and “salsa y sabor” but I focus on staying with the original 123, 567 step/counts.

    • IncaPie 6:38 pm on February 24, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @ lonbluster,

      I finally got home from work today and tried out the basic to the different scenarios presented in this thread. I think I have your answer.

      As I mentioned in my first post, where I described the difference in the basic step for on1 and NYC on2 styles, the “pause” (4 or 8) occurs while the feet are still separated from the break step in on2 style. In on1, the pause occurs while the feet are together in neutral position (i.e. the break has been closed/replaced). You said:
      “if I want dance on2 with fast songs I’d much better want to count 234-678.”
      and,
      “Can you easily dance On2 and stay on time when you count 123-567 on FAST songs?”

      If you are dancing/stepping on 234,678, your pause will have to be on the 5 and the 1. Then, if you are breaking on the 2 and the 6, you will be doing the exact footwork as on1, just a beat late!!! This is the fundamental difference in the movement of on2…the pause occurs while the feet are still separated (on 4 and 8), and the break step isn’t replaced until after the pause. So you are doing a technical on1 one beat too late by breaking on the 2. That is to say, your body is physically doing the same motion as an on1 dancer, but not on the same beats. In fact, you could count whatever numbers you wanted and it wouldn’t make a difference–your pattern is based on the on1 style. Another way of putting it: you are dancing the ballroom (on2) mambo, but not on2 salsa.

      You need to find some instruction for the on2 footwork, and practice this slowly. You will come to find that it is distinct from the on1 pattern of:
      break-step-replace-pause (& repeat) as on2 is:
      (step-) break-step-pause-”replace”-break-step-pause……….

      I could say it a million different ways, but it’s all the same. You probably just have a bad habit of returning to your on1 motions, just trying to stay breaking on the 2 and 6. It is commonplace and I have suffered this while trying go back and forth between styles. You just have to train your body to the different motions/feels of the styles in order to dance them and appreciate their distinctiveness.

      Hope that solves at least some of the mystery.

      • lonbluster 5:35 am on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

        I don’t really see the difference of counting 234678 as opposed to 123567, except that with the first you are more agile on fast songs and the second you are more stable with slower song.
        I know the 234 feels more like dancing on 1, but still, this is the main reason of my post!
        On1 you see the measure(?BEAT? :-) ) starting on 1 and 5 and finishing on 4 adn 8.
        On2 you see it starting and finishing on 2 and 6, AND NOT as if starting on 2(6) and finishing on 5(1).

        I am now wondering if some mambo on2 dancer felt a difference when they moved to NY salsa style.
        Anyone?

      • tommrod 4:28 pm on February 26, 2009Permalink | Reply

        the 234 678 footwork is just a different way of dancing on 2 closer to the cuban style (if in fact it isn’t the very same)

        • lonbluster 4:34 pm on February 26, 2009Permalink | Reply

          I have always danced Cuban Style on the 1, but I know NY style takes some origins from the Cuban Rumba movements

    • lonbluster 5:39 am on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Anyway…thanks everybody…I guess I got the point.
      I don’t want further deeps on this…this is becoming far too much technical, and maybe stupid ;-)

      Keeping dancing will prove everything!

      Enjoy :-)

    • me 10:55 am on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      as an on2 dancer, i know exactly what incapie is saying. It is getting all confusing, but what incapie is saying makes perfect sense (to me anyway). we count 123-567 just like anyone else, but different steps are taken on these beats. i’ve taken classes in 4 NYC schools, and it’s all the same. I’ve never danced 234-678. It sounds confusing to dance like that. (then again, I never tried it)
      I think incapie explained it best, you just have to know which step is taken on which beat in both styles. from there you will find -and feel- the difference of the styles.

      • lonbluster 11:16 am on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

        I wanted to address the answer below to you, but I didn’t in fact.

    • lonbluster 11:11 am on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I think the only real reference are the clave and the conga tumbao…if, and only if, you got the timing in that way, just try shifting the count and come back and tell me after having tried a couple of fast songs and a couple of slow songs
      :-)
      Enjoy

      • jovi 12:55 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

        just a question, don’t turn angry. i should pick a fast song and start dancing on2. While dancing i count steps by words 123-567 loud in English. After that i do everything the same(continue dancing on2) but replace just words 123-567 by words 234-678. … same with slow song … and post the difference?

        • lonbluster 7:19 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

          Hi Jovi,
          Growl!!!
          No, the 2(6) stays 2 breaking forward or backward, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense.
          What you will realize counting 234 on fast songs is that the step that is usually 5 is more a 4 instead.
          Of course if you do the 234 counting with slow songs instead, the 5 will be a full pause, like in mambo On2 I guess.

      • me 3:38 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

        thats what I listen for when trying to understand a song. I first find the 2 (the first conga slap), and then listen for the clave rhythm. I’ve never tried changing the count though.

        I kinda know what you mean by having a tougher time dancing on2 to a faster song, but that problem has faded away for me a bit. I used to have some trouble dancing on2 to a faster song, but not so much anymore. i guess it just comes with practice because i’ve kinda rooted out on1 dancing. (I dont exclude it at all, i just dance on2 by preference, to any salsa song, no matter the tempo) Perhaps its just adjusment? I do remember having that feeling. It is different for everyone, i can only speak from my own experience.

        I wish i could help more, but for me, it just doesnt feel right to change the counts. The basic on2 step is danced on 123-567, just like on1.

        • lonbluster 7:26 pm on February 25, 2009Permalink | Reply

          Hi Me,

          Yes, you got my point, it is a question of practise…but in my case I don’t want to miss good On1 dancing girls, so, I am doing both On2 and On1.

          In the end what I prefer more is Not Counting At All!!! and NY style allow this to happen…but I guess you need to know exactly why!

          :-)

    • me 8:51 am on February 26, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Yes, same here. I started on2 because I wanted to be able to dance with anyone as well. I came across an interesting interview with Magna Gopal. She has a nice analogy for explaining what is different between on1 and on2 – how on2 counting trains your ear to hear all of the instruments.

      It can be found at http://www.salsaon2.com/. The video is at the bottom of the page (for now, anyway) and click on the “understanding the Music” tab of the video.

      But eventually, after training yourself to count to the music on2, it becomes a part of you. Just like anything else, it just takes practice. (it wss very frustrating at first though – relearning everything)

    • dahvee 11:04 pm on February 26, 2009Permalink | Reply

      FYI – Dancing x234 x678 was the commmon NY on2 method of dancing back in Palladium days (back in the 50-60′s). According to NY dancer Nydia Ocasio it’s actually the son montuno footwork.

      This style of footwork is still used by ballroom mambo dancers.

      If you find it easier to dance x234 it maybe because faster songs tend to be more percussive. In other words the slap of the tumbao becomes more pronounced than the melodic components of the song.

      • lonbluster 2:31 am on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Yes indeed my 234 teacher calls it “Montuno”, indeed. :-)

        Do you see any difference, than, with the NY style by Eddie Torres, 123x567x?
        I mean the main concept is to step according the conga tumbao, then the counting is just a secondary aspect…
        I mean you can still count x234x678 on slow songs, even if the 4 and 8 don’t actually match the feet touching the ground.

    • IncaPie 6:56 am on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

      lonbluster,

      Why do you seem to be stuck on this fast-vs.-slow tempo theme? You should be able to dance your style (whatever it is) to any salsa song, regardless of tempo. Tempo only dictates how much time is between each step. So if you know your steps well enough, you should be able to do them quickly if the song calls for it. Slower music allows (or forces?) you to do more body styling, but that is the only difference I can think of.

      If you are new to on2, unless you are being taught the Montuno/ballroom mambo style, I am still putting my money on you being more inclined to the on1 style, but you are calling it on2 if that’s what the ladies require. It seems your body is only trained in on1 right now, but you are at least aware enough to hear the 2 and 6.

      Could you give examples of “slow” vs. “fast” songs if it makes that much difference?

      • lonbluster 7:24 am on February 27, 2009Permalink | Reply

        How much money on stake?

        :-)

    • tommrod 2:49 am on February 28, 2009Permalink | Reply

      humm…
      i dunno but all this sounds horribly similar to an old post …

      on which i happily came to the conclusion that one can translate the eddie torres style to on1 style

      for any reference please visit the post

      http://social.addicted2salsa.com/2009/01/20/learn-the-salsa-timing-stop-pretending-to-know-it/

      also anthony has a post (mentioned in the above post) that might help all posters …… for posterity? ….. post… sorry i had to do it.

      now

      i have a slight idea of lonbluster’s fast tempo problem

      i had the same problem when attempting to dance on2 (if of course both his and mine are the same kind of problem)
      and it happens on the 5 to 6 or 1 to 2 beats (which feel faster than the rest of the steps maybe because if just feels like walking????)

      i assume this problem comes because this transitions like incapie points out are not natural on on1 style.

    • lonbluster 8:03 am on February 28, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I was at the clube yesterday…I only get positive proves that dancing NY on a fast tempo is not easy.
      There were 2 girls I asked to dance who are usually quite good on NY style and there were 2 fast songs in a row. They were actually quite sorry to tell me “NO, this song is way to fast for me”.

      Come on, it is evident, a teaching method don’t have to impose such limitations… and make you think you need to practise more, and you are not good enought right now!!!

      It is no more of a problem for me…if I fing good dancers that can keep the beat.
      The problem of course is if I find dancers that cannot keep up with the beat…what to do in such cases?
      :-)
      I guess this is another topic!!

      • tommrod 10:42 am on February 28, 2009Permalink | Reply

        i would confirm that by saying that when watching videos of fast tempo songs on on2 style the footwork is much similar to on1 style than ny style.
        except for the slow paced ones where one can appreciate the right 123 567 …

      • me 11:42 am on March 2, 2009Permalink | Reply

        hi lonbluster – it really is just getting used to it. i had the same problem. the transition is tough, because the expression of the two styles are so different. but when aguanile comes on or any other fast song, on2 dancers do not clear the floor. they take shorter steps. it comes in time. just dance more on2. it will come, it has to. i am not sure if it is because youre learning 234-678 or not. step on 123-567, break on your 2 and 6, know that on the 3 and 7 your feet should be separated, and keep practicing it. i hope this problem fades away for you.

        • lonbluster 12:00 pm on March 2, 2009Permalink | Reply

          It must be kind of working like this, metaforically speaking:

          -you hear the conga preparation to the 1
          -you step more or less on 1 while you hear the 1 telling you “hey …ONE!!!”
          -you respond “on time” with “TWO!!” stepping on it (it is like…”ah..one eh?…ok, here you go…TWO!!”)
          -after a while you do this you hear the instruments that smash on2 say “That’s it, BRAVO… applause!!!”

          Ok, so.. the faster the 1 comes, the faster you have to reply with a 2 step thrusting you in the opposite direction.

          :-)
          :-D

          • me 6:27 pm on March 3, 2009Permalink | Reply

            thats prety interesting. when there is a strong 2 (as the follow) i practically stomp my left food (forward). ok- not really stomp, but i definitely feel the strength of the song when i break with the conga slap, especially in a song thats heavy in percussion. it just feels good.

    • Carl 6:30 pm on March 1, 2009Permalink | Reply

      When you dance On1 123 is the prep and 567 is the execution. Is that the same for On2?

      Nobody ever seems to have anything good to say about On1 vs. On2, so I’d like to be the first. The one thing that I observe, is that when dancing in crowded clubs, On1 appears easier to keep tight (short slot), while On2 has more of a gliding motion, and therefor needs a longer slot.

      • me 11:09 am on March 2, 2009Permalink | Reply

        hi carl – it is the opposite – on on2, the prep is 567 and the execution is on 123.

  • 11:59 am on February 17, 2009 | 5 | # | Reply
    Tags: double, la style, spins, turns

    Hello to all from Miami! Been doing Casino (rueda) salsa for a couple of years and just recently began learning LA Style salsa. I am loving it, it is a completely different. However, I need some pointers on double spins for guys or any resources that may help. Didn’t learn this in rueda. Thanks!

     
    • lonbluster 5:03 am on February 18, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I don’t have great experience about this as well, but for what i have learnt:
      -use 2 fingers inside the lady’s hand grip
      -try to draw a circle around and not much far from her head like if it is a nimbus(halo?); if she is moving , move the nimbus as well
      -we must rely on the lady keeping a steady straight vertical position of her forearm

    • Diego 7:23 am on February 18, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for the tips. However I am looking for pointers on guys spinning themselves.

      • Julie

        Julie 10:06 pm on February 18, 2009Permalink | Reply

        I’ll elaborate on this in an upcoming episode, but focus on the following:

        - maintain a strong core (abs tight)
        - have a good prep
        - spot (make sure your eyes are focused on one spot as you spin)

        Much easier said than done, but if you master these with single spins, then move up to doubles, and you’ll get it in no time with practice :-D

    • hooknc 12:57 am on February 19, 2009Permalink | Reply

      It takes practice for doubles.

      Here is the routine I do before lessons and it has helped a lot, not doing doubles yet, but I am getting quite close. I’ll be there soon. :)

      Do the full routine stopping at the point where you think you need the most practice before moving onto the next step. Practice doesn’t make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

      Quarter Turns: Turn 1/4th of the way around a circle like a normal right turn. Focus on just giving enough energy to get that 1/4th the way around. Lightly toss your hands from left to right to help with the spin if needed. But you should have NOT to “Stop” yourself or be off balance at all. You should just come to a natural stop. Do 8 of these (2 full circles).

      Half Turns: Turn 1/2 of the way around a circle like a normal right turn. The same as above, but a little more arm throw. Do 4 of these (2 full circles).

      Three Quarter Turns: Turn 3/4 of the way around a circle like a normal right turn. Again as above a little more arms and a little more push with your left leg. Remember stay balanced and only enough push to get you that 3/4 of the way around. If you’re off balance or having to stop, you’re pushing too hard. Do 4 of these (3 full circles).

      Full Turns: Turn in a complete circle like a normal right turn. Do 4.

      One and One Half Turns… Do 4.

      Doubles… Do 4.

      On the One and One Half Turns and the Double turns you might have to put your left foot back down to help make it all the way around. It’s ok to do that. All that is required is a little extra kick with those left toes. Keep that balance and don’t add too much extra energy. It really doesn’t take that much energy to spin around twice.

      Other tips…

      Like Julie said, a strong core is very helpful.

      Bend those knees and keep your hands up and just a bit out. This will help you keep your balance during your spin. Hands at your side won’t help.

      I personally don’t spot. I find I get more disoriented if I spot then if I just blur my eyes.

      http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080428141044AAyOy73

    • Diego 5:23 pm on February 19, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for the replies, will follow the suggestions.

  • Anthony Persaud

    11:33 pm on February 16, 2009 | 0 | # | Reply
    Tags:

    The ‘Reply’ button should now work properly on the forums.

     
  • 9:15 am on February 16, 2009 | 3 | # | Reply
    Tags: arm speed, hand juggles

    Do you like hand juggles?
    They seems funny to me but I find myself very slow at moving the arms fast enough left and right, up and down…any suggestions?

    Cheers

     
  • 1:07 pm on February 15, 2009 | 8 | # | Reply
    Tags: , , NOOB, Novice

    Hi, I’m new here and to the whole dancing world. Me and my wife decided we are tired of being bums and decided to take up salsa dance lessons, to get out more and spice up our marriage. We have never really danced except for the corny slow dance foot shuffle on our wedding day, you know the one-lol. But anyways I want some feedback on how hard do you all think it will be for us? I love Latin music, used to play it as a drummer back in High School, so its only natural that this is what I would want to dance to. Do you guys think we can be competent at it in just a few months? We have 4 weddings this year and vacation and would love to impress our friends. Any thoughts and pointers would be great. Thanks.

     
    • Don Vaillancourt 1:30 pm on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Practice a lot. And practice with as many partners as possible. The key to learning salsa is drive and determination.

      If you can practice 4-6 hours a week for 6 months, you should be good.

      When dancing, make sure you tell your partner that you’re looking for criticism. Otherwise most won’t say anything.

      Don’t wait for each other, if you feel you are progressing faster, good for you. When you feel comfortable with your skills come back and help her out. Same goes for her.

    • Tikka 1:31 pm on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      My dance teachers are a couple much like you are. Though, the wife decided that they had to spice up their marriage, while the guy was quite reluctant to go. After one lesson, it was the other way around. ;)

      That was 4 years ago and they are quite good.

    • mustfast65 1:55 pm on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for the quick comments. Honestly it was more my idea to do this and she laughed and thought I was nuts or have been drinking-lol. We found a local dance school and classes will begin next month. It’ll be interseting, I’ll post updates on our progress. This sites videos with Anthony Persuad are very informative. I’m considering trying to get a head start by following some of his videos, but my wife is emabarassed to have the neighbors wondering why latin music is blasting in the garage, but no better way to break the ice I think. Gotta clear some toys out of my garage though to practice-lol.
      Thanks.

    • Tikka 2:02 pm on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I dance all the time in my house alone, watching YouTube movies. I find it a good wake-up routine in the morning.

      It *is* much different though, when dancing with a partner.

    • tommrod 2:39 pm on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      123 567 123 567… forget about it

      enjoy it!!!

      once you get the basics try to feel the music that’s my advice. see yourself in the mirror while dancing… if you are smiling yes you are enjoying it!!!

    • Marco 7:11 pm on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      You have a golden situation my friend. My wife and I were in much the same situation when we first got married almost 11 years ago. I am the dance crazed one and she is a more sane willing participant. Meaning that she watches and listens to a more diverse set of offerings then *just* Salsa vids and music (I tend to take things to level 10 right off the bat and keep the needle buried till there’s just a nub left.)

      Pay good attention to your wife’s enjoyment level, if she is having a good time then you will. If you are like me and miss the warning signs that she has had enough for the time being, then you will get good at saying sorry OR practicing shines all by yourself.

      As to the how long will it take query, I will leave you with one of my favorite Churchill quotes;

      “Constant effort, not strength nor intelligence, is what reveals our potential.”

      Good luck!

    • Don Vaillancourt 10:55 pm on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @alexproba: You took the words right out of my mouth.

    • jovi 3:32 am on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @mustfast65: every step on the dance-floor(garage included) will make you dance better. Only things you have to do is to try. :D

      @alexproba: If you use Google translate gadged then this forum apears to you like a ru site but it is still english. Try to find your post in the original language option. :)

  • Julie

    11:47 pm on February 12, 2009 | 17 | # | Reply

    Question for guys: how do you measure whether a lady likes a combo? I came across this description:
    “I would say 8/10 ladies I have used bits of the pattern on enjoy it.”
    It intrigued me…what criteria do you use to determine whether the lady enjoys a dance move?

    Question for ladies: what signs do you give guys to show that you liked (or didn’t like) a dance move?

     
    • Anthony Persaud

      Anthony Persaud 12:52 am on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      “How do you measure whether a lady likes a combo?”

      You can tell if they ask you to supersize it for an extra $1. :-)

      (I’m full of bad jokes)

    • tommrod 8:38 am on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Anthony Persaud:
      i invite you to join the bad joke assoc. i’ll be the president…

      to ms. Jullie
      facial expression, if i see wrinkles on the sides of their eyes, and also even a subtle smile i know they like it.

      if i see wrinkles in their forehead that might be a bad sign…

      also i’ve had at least a lady tell me oohh i like that… while dancing! of course…

    • Marco 9:13 am on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      So a horse canters into a Salsa bar…bartender steps up and says; “Hey bud, why the long face?” *drum roll-cymbal crash*

      Thank you-Thank you…I’ll be here all week folks, make sure you tip your waitresses.

      (Is there a comment rating for less then one star?…there should be)

      @Julie M.: I am always looking for that “wow” moment. Usually it involves spontanius laughing….perhaps they will gasp and give you a “holy crap.”

      I think it’s easier for me due to the lack of overly technical follows. It’s prpbably easier to impress ladies in the greater Lansing MI area then in the San Diego salsa meccas.

    • jovi 11:59 am on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Marco: applause, clap, clap, clap, stadium does the wave :)

    • laura 12:37 pm on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      i think that a lady’s smile says it all.
      so, how can a lady tell if the guy enjoys dancing with us?

    • hooknc 4:27 pm on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I just ask the follow if she liked the combo.

      Typically something like “Did you like that combo of turns?” works.

      Most of the time the girl will actually verbalize her enjoyment.
      “Ooooo, I liked that combination, do it again!”

      If I get a couple of positive responses the combo goes into the memory move list.

      @laura: He’ll ask you to dance again. ;)

    • Don Vaillancourt 7:34 pm on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Marco: I didn’t rate your comment. So there’s my vote. ;-)

      @Julie: I see if they laugh or give me the big smiles. Or if they are willing to dance with me again.

    • jovi 1:52 am on February 14, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Dancing is similar to talking. Someone likes what you say, some don’t. Missunderstandings exists in talking and dancing. There are people who doesn’t listen. Some are talking all the time …

      How do you measure someone likes the conversation?
      Does those criteria also holds for dancing?
      After the dance you can ask a person if she/he liked it, does it hold vice versa?(better dance after a good conversation?)

      These are no rhetorical questions. If someone can shed light…

    • Don Vaillancourt 6:15 am on February 14, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @jovi: Uhm, I always considered dancing more along the lines of sex. As the lead, your job is to please her. If she smiles, then you’re obviously doing something right.

      Once or twice during that song I’ll ask how things are going if I feel like I may be pushing it a bit to hard with the moves.

      If she wants to dance with me again, then all is cool.

      The best part is, I don’t have to call her the next day.

    • lonbluster 3:38 pm on February 14, 2009Permalink | Reply

      This is the best forum I have ever got into :-D

    • salsero uk 8:47 pm on February 14, 2009Permalink | Reply

      many sure signs
      1. the lady laughs or smiles.
      2. she makes a point of congratulating you after the dance.
      3. if she makes a point of asking one of her friends to dance with you, nothing better than a reference !
      4. She asks your name after the dance.
      5. she asks you for a dance later on in the night, that’s a sure sign she at least didn’t find the dance offensive.

    • Julie

      Julie 2:54 am on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Salsero uk
      Awesome list! I think all are surefire except maybe #1, which brings up an interesting point. Sometimes ladies smile and laugh in an effort to accomplish the following: so that the guy enjoys dancing with them, after a mistake to show they didn’t mind/make the guy feel better, or just to be friendly. Ladies also know that lots of people are watching, and they look bad if they don’t smile & look like they are having a good time.

      Personally, I smile and laugh with everyone unless I’m in pain or the guy is a jerk (in which case it’s just hard to muster a smile). If I really liked how he danced, then after the dance I’ll tell the guy it was a great dance and ask his name. I may also ask him to dance later.

    • SalseroWannaBe 9:59 am on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Uhmmm… She is shouting: “YES, YES, YES!” ?? Anthony, you’re not alone in here with jokes :D

    • tommrod 10:03 pm on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Julie:

      :( then i…i am not liked..?? :’(

      buju… :( (spanish boo hoo)

      no seriously that’s happened to me too, a couple of times,

      i might add that whether a lady likes it or not, depends also on what expectations does a lady have, i’ve danced with beginners and they must have hated me because i didn’t do anything (cause i couldn’t) and also i was gentleman enough not to stop dancing in the middle of the song, so literally i made us endure the pain, come to think of it… i should have graciously scaped instead.

      but any way i thank them but i don’t really expect them to like me, i’ve had girls stop before the song. did i feel like crap? maybe, would i care much now? not really.

      so like i said expectations rule a huge lot here. it might have been a great dance for me (usually it is depending upon the follower also) and not for her.

      • Julie

        Julie 10:58 pm on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

        @tommrod:

        Happiness of the ladies is INDEPENDENT of the level of the guy :-) . I’ve had some great dances with beginner guys.

        Let’s also separate 1) enjoying the dance, from 2) liking the combinations. A girl may really enjoy the dance even if it lacks good combos (because of connection, etc.), but she may hate a dance with great combos because of whatever personal factor.

        Regardless, it is not ok for anyone to walk off the floor! That is just disrespectful.

        • tommrod 9:35 pm on February 17, 2009Permalink | Reply

          i totally agree with you
          because i am a beginner and enjoy dancing a lot usually that makes them enjoy it too.

    • laura 3:26 pm on February 17, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Julie, you’re right. A lady can a enjoy a dance simply because of the connection.

      I’ve only had to walk off the dance floor during a bachata song. The guy was trying grab me too close and tight to look down my shirt. NOT COOL.

  • 7:04 pm on February 11, 2009 | 6 | # | Reply

    learning it on 1
    is there much difference betweeon on 1 and on 2? if i danced with a man is it easy enough to get into the
    2 groove?

     
    • Anthony Persaud

      Anthony Persaud 8:23 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

    • salsa rose 6:20 am on February 12, 2009Permalink | Reply

      thanks Anthony.
      I’m taking salsa about 6 months now still have a long way to go to master this, but this math thing may trip me up even more if i go out and dance with a 2 man since I’m a 1 woman

    • me 3:52 pm on February 12, 2009Permalink | Reply

      its worth the learning trust me. you will have a whole new appreciation for how a salsa song is made, and in turn, your respect for it will grow. And it just feels so good to dance on2!
      I went from on1 to on2. and its true what they say, once you go on2, you never go back.

    • salsa rose 8:54 pm on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      thank you again for your info
      and good tips on this topic

    • lonbluster 3:02 pm on February 14, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Essentially the difference is in a different way to listen to the music.

      On1 we need to be more aware of the timing in the form of counting 1234(1 measure), which seem to be something generally people are more accostumed to and get much more easily.

      On2 we need to be more aware of the beat, which also includes 4 times but to be in sync with it we need not much look at the counting but instead focus more on the change between each measure. The beat ends and begins when we hit the 2(or the 6), while the change of measure(chachacha-4&5-8&1) is a preparation for it.
      I read once that the 2 is a response to the 1, and I have this theory confirmed all the time I dance on2.

      Practise some chachacha (only on2) and then remove 2 chacha(the 4 and the 5) and you will get salsa on2 fast.

      Best wishes :-)

    • salsa rose 6:43 pm on February 14, 2009Permalink | Reply

      hmmm
      intersting……funny i was finally getting the hang of salsa on 1, o well……thanks again :)

  • Marco

    4:46 pm on February 11, 2009 | 8 | # | Reply
    Tags: decorating a venue

    I’m sending out an all points bulletin;

    My wife and I are in charge of an April dance theme for our ballroom club. We have chosen a ‘Latin Explosion’ theme.

    We have decided on Black tableclothes with 12″ square mirrors for centerpieces.

    The next part is where I need help. I think that I will get some cheap shiny red beads and spread them over the mirrors. Maybe some of those cheap hand pull firecrackers to tie in with the ‘explosion’ theme (maybe not, I hate cleaning up afterwards…maybe just fake TNT sticks.) Doing this on the CHEAP is a must (Coming out of my pocket.)

    Any other ideas for decorations cause I will probably hurt someone if I hear ‘sombreros and mini maracas’ for the umpteenth time.

     
    • Anthony Persaud

      Anthony Persaud 5:50 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Make sure you put an addicted2salsa.com banner somewhere. j/k :-)

    • Marco 6:48 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Anthony Persaud:

      Sure…of course…it would only be fair to put up one of our banners for one of your videos right…

      So uh, what font is that for your logo again? And you might have to send me a .jpg of that slick A2S decal.

      j/k of course

      (That was smooth right?)

    • tommrod 9:47 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      buahahaha sombreros and mini maracas…

    • SalseroWannaBe 9:39 am on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Well? Latin explosion? TNT is too literally, could go as far as Medelin cartel blowing up military post. Still a latin explosion. Just do it latin, I think. Maybe some South American-style painting to walls? Don’t be cheesy, be creative :)

    • Marco 11:18 am on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @SalseroW-B:

      Lolz, Now that you say that, I am tempted to fake kidnap the club president.

      I have gotten some additional ideas and have refined the choices to “Latin Flavor,” and go with a simple food themed decoration ensemble. Or maybe “Latin Passion.” I just liked the way that last one rolls off the toungue.

      The ‘Flavor’ is probably going to be the one.

      I bought some leftover Hershey kisses with the cherry cordial middles…they have a nice dark red and dark brown wrapper…that’s my start…all downhill from here.

    • SalseroWannaBe 2:10 pm on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I would go for colors of Mexican or Cuban houses in the villages (well, dominating Cuban color is color of rotting and devastation but you know what I mean). Google for some pics and color set tips.

    • tommrod 10:40 pm on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

      wait if you wanna make it a latin fiesta of sorts you have to have the following items.

      1 a whole bunch of strangers, party crashers, long distance mostly unknown relatives, grandpa and grandma, kids of all ages and shapes, and of course that cousin who looks like a victoria’s secret model and you always wondered how did she came to be taking on acount a not so pretty rest of the family…

      2 lots of beer, lots of rum, lots of …see the thing here is not what but how much, the more the merrier yes but the more liquid the more merrier they’ll get also

      3 food, of course a whole variety, but i would say i cannot picture a latinoan party if i don’t get my little plate of some’ng, rice is big and so is pork …and gimme that hot sauce man!!, woohh cousin’s looking fine… oh god this sauce’s hot…

      4 a whole lot of troublesome, and funny “remember that” moments happening on real time like … uncle paco is a little tipsy trying to dance salsa on3 not on the beat but on two hands and a leg…and auntie rosa just could’t get enough of the old “secret” cuba libre special recipe and has been trying to hire a stripper using a banana for about half an hour now.

      5 how to forget that uncle who’s always the heart of the party, usually thick and jolly. that aunt who’s always cooking and making sure everybody’s having fun (usually the party is at her house), or that uncle who’s always making sure that you get your ration of spirits! go ahead boy just drink some…

      boy i just got nostalgic …how’s that for a latin explosion!? :P

      • Marco 10:57 pm on February 16, 2009Permalink | Reply

        lol, the frickin’ on 3 line got me.

        I would have to substitute gabrita in place of the puerca…Man I’m getting hungry.

  • 10:14 am on February 10, 2009 | 12 | # | Reply

    I’m a male who has been taking Salsa classes for about six months. My partner also has been taking classes for about the same amount of time but has been taking extra classes from different instructors. When we’re in class she seems to over correct me. Stopping completely to tell me what she thinks I’m doing wrong or in some cases pulling the instructor over. In some cases the instuctor will point out what she is doing is effecting the move…anticipating the move, not following the lead. I pointed out to my partner that a man has many things going on in his head and when the leader is starting to second guess or hesitate it effects the leadership and confidence. Any suggestions?

     
    • jovi 1:55 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I had salsa classes where we changed our dancing partners every 15-20 minutes. In argentine-tango classes we even changed the leaderfollower part.

      It was a great learning experience because you detect faster your defects, get respect and better understanding about difficult parts, other role is faced with.

      Talk to your instructors, maybe they will addopt one of these concepts. I think this will resolve your problem.

    • salilsurendran 3:01 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Many times I appreciate the advice because it makes me a better dancer. But sometimes girls who are starting out to dance feel insecure and start pointing fingers at the leader. I had a couple of cases where girls who were absolute beginner was pointing out stuff that was imaginary. There was a girl who would have taken hardly about 2 classes and the instructor asked us to kind of a wrap. She spun and stamped on my foot with her heels. As I was removing my shoe in pain to check for injury she was making a meek excuse that I wasn’t leading her right. I stopped taking that class.

    • hooknc 4:35 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I think you handled the situation quite well actually.

      Is this person a dance partner or a significant other (SO) partner?

      If the person is a SO, I would recommend not taking classes with that person (or at least partner up with someone else in the class). I’ve seen too many times SOs take classes together, one gets whats going on much faster, and tries to help the other… But that person will have to learn at their own speed; No getting around that. The help usually will not be taken correctly and most likely cause friction/anger in one or both of the people.

      Then enjoy dancing with one another at the clubs or socials.

    • Don Vaillancourt 8:02 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      As you go out and dance you are going to run into girls that will predict the moves that you are about to make. Take it as a challenge to push yourself to get better.

      That’s what I did, and now I’m one step ahead of them.

      In class, take all the advice that you can get. A lot of girls will not speak because some guys don’t like it. Count yourself lucky. Work with her. Remember that she wants a good lead to dance with as well.

      Make it a goal to come back at the next class to show her how much better you are. Leads will always improve faster than follows, eventually you’ll overtake her.

    • Matias Prado 8:22 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Most of the time, a followers mistake is usually a leader’s mistake.. However, followers might use this “fact” to blame us for what it might have been their fault.

      Anticipating the move is one (in my opinion) MAIN reasons why these type of problems happen. By doing this, women don’t follow, they just do what they think the move would be, which results into a well performed move.. OR NOT (MORE OFTEN THE LAST ONE).

      I suggest that you try the same move with other partners, in class and at social dance too. I found that a GREAT way of fast improving is to dance with as many different people as possible (clubs are THE BEST for this). You quickly dicover what to improve and the “how to” of lots of moves, leads, etc.

    • Marco 9:35 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      There are a lot of intangibles going on that could have a major influence on a good response.

      If you care for this person then put yourself in their Bloch’s before you have your say. If there is anything antagonistic about what you are going to say then wait a day and revisit it.

      I generally don’t have good things to offer my partner after having my ego bruised.

      On the other hand it would be a diservice to both of you if you didn’t put your partner on notice that you are feeling the way you do. Make sure they know, but only when the time is right.
      ———————————-

      If you don’t care for this person the solution is much easier. One of my favorites is to remind them how opinions are like belly buttons….Everyone has one-but some are best left under wraps.

      Good luck, and let us know how it goes(I know I’m curious on how it ends up.)

    • Don Vaillancourt 9:49 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Oh BTW, about so many things going on in your head. That will eventually pass. When you get to that point when your mind is clear, and you can breath. It’s like in that movie, Wanted.

    • tommrod 9:51 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      us leaders have to lead, can’t do anything else.

      how does a person lead, one seduces, one relays on others to follow their lead, one has to be audacious and self confident.

      what does a follower do? they follow the leader. it is bad? it is good? none, it is what it is.

      don’t you feel that when being questioned or helped as a leader you are actually surrending your leadership? and therefore that your confidence is being somewhat diminished .

      what i would do? calmly tell my partner to let me learn how to lead, maybe she wants to learn how to lead too… it would be really cool if she learns how to. that way she would understand why she has to let me learn by myself.

      next thing… if you are learning and it doesn’t come out like you would want to, ask, but ask other leaders or your instructor.

    • lonbluster 8:11 am on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I definitely want to participate in this topic as well!

      I am now doing a salsa class with girls that started dancing salsa since few MONTHs, 6 maybe. While I am dancing it since few YEARs, 4-5 maybe. Even if they can guess this they don’t look at my authoritative presence at all!

      Even though I see their many defects with the timing(main topic) I don’t insist much to notify this to them, because I know that when they change to leaders who doesn’t go on time as well, they will have to adapt to him as well.
      Anyway they can be ready to look angry at me and start telling me “You, you ,you, YOU!! don’t do this, and you do that..etc”, because I am not doing like other partners!!

      This happen mostly in classes where you want to put logic in what you do, and therefore verbalize each action.
      I can only conclude that some of us(leaders or follower) are good with words, but not with facts…and vice versa!! so it depends where you put the focus!!
      Hey…this is high psychology, and philosophy applied to Salsa!!

      Anyway the real proof is, of course, at the club!! There you will feel good if you do things properly, and start to wonder your logic if instead things ain’t that great!!

      Per experience I can tell you that not many people are made for salsa. Either you get a passion or you leave. The indecision time won’t last more than one year.

      So definitely my suggestions are:
      -change partner often
      -change teacher as well
      -change places and situations to dance.

      Great topic, great answer to everybody! :-)

    • Nayan Choudhary 12:38 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @hooknc:
      I completely agree. One has his/her own pace of learning.

      I feel that if the lady is trying to show the correct technique unobtrusively, then you might want to think about it. Otherwise if its styling, better change partner to someone who is more tolerable. One day you will be better and then try your luck again.. if you wish. :)

    • salsero uk 9:54 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @lonbluster: Agree with your comments.
      Generally the class is where you are informed of the techniques and given elements of a routine that you can incorporate into your “repotoire”, however without the correct timing or understanding of how to lead the turn pattern taught, you will find it doesn’t actually work in the club.
      I find generally that if I can perform the move with five or six different dancers that haven’t attended the class I have taken, then I have that particular pattern down. I try not to attempt to tell someone how the move was supposed to work as the communication should really be in the lead, and if I can’t get it to work then I haven’t got the technique down to perform it.
      A little off subject here, but I sometimes witness people trying to lead/force moves on a partner that probably are meant for someone more experienced, you have to sometimes understand that just as we are limited by the development of leading ability, the same holds true for followers and in some cases the follower may not have achieved the technique to follow that particular move or understand the communication involved in achieving it. I hope that did not sound pompous at all and this isn’t over wordy! well that’s all from me .. best advice given to me “Have Fun, it’s only a dance” !

    • Skam 5:53 am on February 13, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Spank her well. Who’s a macho here?! :D

  • dorm_moth

    12:28 am on February 10, 2009 | 31 | # | Reply
    Tags: in search of connection laughing

    not only fun but playful…

    it’s been said that the best way to get to a man’s heart is through his stomach (or should we say now trhough his appetite???) what would be the best way to get to a woman’s heart? while you guys think about that for …hours…most likely years…
    and now a completely urelated (or is it?) topic…let me ask to all the leads here
    how do you guys make a girl laugh while dancing… i’m not talking about smiling. rather a full blown spasmic explosion of laughter.
    it just ocurred to me that without having to be a clown, one can provoque such emotions by acting a little silly, a little agressive, a little bold.

    as of now this post has become a recollection of videos and ideas which can result in smile and/or laughter or plain dissaproval.

     
    • dorm_moth

      dorm_moth 12:35 am on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      as usual i use a video to try and make my point …

      just check it carefully and pay attention as to what happens @ 2:09

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUhIE45ihrI

    • laura 12:11 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      omg! I loved that! He put enough moves to show her off and show off his skills. Also, he out this fun and flirty vibe in the dance. I would love to dance w/ him. I enjoy dancing w/ guys who are having a good time…and don’t cross into the creepy side.

    • Matias Prado 8:57 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      WOW! that was awesome, that’s exactly what you need to do!. Just an original expresion, movement or action is needed to get those kind of results.

      I found that a good time to try to perform one of those moves is when the song has rhythm changes, or when the move you tried goes wrong for some reason, its a great way of getting back to the dance, adding a little of your style and getting a smile too :) .

    • Don Vaillancourt 9:37 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      I like 2:22.

      Wow. This guy is good enough that he can most probably create his own patterns. I want to be able to do that. So much to learn. I can do dance patterns with my eyes shut. But hand patterns are freaking hard to learn.

      I think what makes the girls laugh is all these unexpected moves that she probably has never done, but work.

    • Marco 9:51 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Did you mean the spotlight @ 1:09? I have got to try that one sometime. What a great use of a prop.

      I’m a big fan of shaking my tailfeathers when the horns give off a sound like someone passing gas (I know-I know but sophmoric is my style.)

      Telling the follow that I just dropped something…then dropping it like it’s hot can work sometimes.

      A “wink in the window” when doing a lead’s left handed natural turn (pizza turn) is another favorite.

    • tommrod 10:02 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Marco:

      the light was pretty tacky and somewhat cocky, ideal for salsa dance.

      i meant 2:09 he taps her booty ever so slightly (looks like) with his left foot…. notice the consequent laughter of the audience.

      wink in the window… can you explain a little deeper? not familiar with the term…

    • Don Vaillancourt 10:07 pm on February 10, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Oh, I just saw the booty tap. Cool.

    • jovi 3:10 am on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @00:38? , @00:48?

    • jovi 3:11 am on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

    • Marco 6:53 am on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @tommrod:

      Yeah just saw the booty tap. I’d have to know the follow a little better for that one.

      For the wink in the window, it’s just a simple little thing;

      For ON1

      Left hand lead holding the follow’s right- Right (natural) turn- On the count of one I have my left shoulder pointed at the follow, my left hand is up at head height and bent back making two sides of the “window frame.” – The follow’s hand makes the other side of the “window.”- If she’s making eye contact at this moment I ususally wink or if I *really* know the follow, I sometimes give them a smooch.

    • jovi 7:46 am on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @jovi: if someone is asking himself what is happening @00:38 and @00:48… .
      I’ve posted a link to youtube vid – which seems to have disappeard for now. Have i done something wrong or was it a technical problem?

    • tommrod 1:58 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @jovi:

      excelente example of salsa communication in a playful way. this guys are actually having fun.
      by the way i made this one of my favorite videos on youtube a long time ago, i can still watch it without getting bored.

      i didn’t see your post about it but i’m'a take a shot at it.

      00:38 as he shakes her right arm which is playful and also works as a check. i believe that the word here is “unexpected” (what is he doing? what is he going to do?) that’s one of the principles of comedy by the way. sometimes the most unexpected the joke is the funnier it becomes.

      00:48 still she wasn’t expecting for him to throw her arm and use his right one to make her spin like that. i guess if dancing were translated to words he’d be saying something like “off you go” but of course in a playful way.

      correct me if i got it wrong.

    • tommrod 2:06 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @Marco:

      i think i got it (though i really need a visual check) so if you can find any related media that can show the move it would be great

      so guys any more moves? tricks? it’s all about playful communication guys.

    • tommrod 2:29 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      couple of tricks i found
      super mario’s @ 1:44 though a little forceful somewhat annoying and definitely meant for show not playful communication (everybody else but the follow is laughing), but who knows it may work.
      also try to find super mario’s (i call it) body roll belly bumping move …with all that gut it makes it pretty funny.
      here:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGTRBw4NtMc

    • salsero uk 10:05 pm on February 11, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @tommrod:
      I have to disagree with you on the forceful bit. I’ve actually taken a workshop conducted by SuperMario and I’ve found the moves he teaches are quite leadable and are not forced. I’ve used elements of the pattern demonstrated in the clip above (not the body roll belly bumping, I don’t have the guts for that :P ).
      I would say 8/10 ladies I have used bits of the pattern on enjoy it, as it has the element of surprise and it plays on them moving in the opposite direction to the one they would find themselves moving in on most occassions.
      Every dancer is different, some enjoy playfullness, some like to stay focused and are serious for the whole dance and will not enjoy any playfullness added to the dance or will provide no reaction to it.
      I guess the most important thing is to pitch the dance depending on the connection you have with the person your dancing with.

    • tommrod 9:59 pm on February 12, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @salsero uk:
      quite right it’s all about connection.
      thankyou for disagreeing. that gives me more information about the actual moves since you have “been there”.
      still i would not use the mentioned move ( double lock thing…don’t know the name) unless i really know my partner and of course i execute it beatifully.
      of course i don’t have that size gut either.

      well i’ll keep searching for funny moves and posting videos here. any collaboration is highly appreciated.

    • Julie

      Julie 11:42 pm on February 12, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @tomrod & salsero uk
      His moves are great and seem like they would be really smooth to follow. That said, @1:44 he did kind of bop her on the head ;-) I interpret that as a signal that they know each other, and he’s being playful. I wouldn’t want a guy I don’t know to bop me on the head (haha I’m not little bunny FuFu!) I don’t know about the belly bump with strangers either…The rest of the moves are wonderful :-D

    • jovi 8:13 am on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @tommrod: nice vid. I was waiting for revenge(after he touched her head).

      Here is one more move, but it works only once …

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXE8ueHH5vY&feature=related

    • Marco 8:59 am on February 15, 2009Permalink | Reply

      @jovi:

      That one is pretty cool too.

      It gives me an add on idea;

      Maybe start a shine right after that involving the application of lip balm or better yet one of those old school breath sprays like binacca.

    • tommrod 9:29 pm on February 18, 2009Permalink | Reply

      ‘ere ‘ere

      mario b @ 2:#1 what i call the booty bump
      and really playful through the whole video like @ 1:53

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjtwjVAC9nw

    • jovi 4:53 am on February 19, 2009Permalink | Reply

      first i was thinking only boys perform bold moves.
      thanks tommrod, because of his post i remembered booty bump lady style @1:50-1:57. enjoy :)

      http://www.ritmosalsero.de/video/2005-03-05_andrew&charlotte.wmv

      • Marco 7:15 am on February 19, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Nice vid…as always ladies, careful with getting carried away when trying moves like @ 1:04. Future Salseros & Salseras depend upon your due diligence!

      • tommrod 9:04 pm on February 19, 2009Permalink | Reply

        pretty cool

        i’d love to dance with a lady who really knows how to have fun and of course has a really acurate sense of timing proportions distance and strength when performing that so called booty bump…

        pretty cool i say again

    • tommrod 12:13 pm on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      pointers of this video:
      0:55 careful with that…
      0:13 1:56 and 2:54 nice musically,really playful
      nice little detail @ 3:16

      enjoy it
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeEpi-FxLl0

      • Marco 3:23 pm on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Good chemistry, i liked the T-shirt too.

        They knew how to turn it on for the camera too.

    • tommrod 12:28 pm on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      street at its best with this guy, whose name is still anonymous liked his style a lot.
      pointers:
      4:42 ( where’s the hand?), 4:51 (leaning walk), 5:16 (the stare)

      plus the level of playfulness is atop through the whole dance. first time i see a display of “salsa dancing with obstacles” (check the wheel chair, lady and baby)
      enjoy
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjf2fiNWmZI

      • Marco 3:35 pm on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Tom what was the comment that you removed?

        BTW that dude is my newest Salsa hero…someone tell him to move to 20 degree Michigan ASAP so I can take lessons from him.

        Great vid find Tomas.

        • tommrod 11:49 pm on February 21, 2009Permalink | Reply

          well what’s up

          yeaaahhhmmm i just deleted some comment about me remembering a couple dancing…she wash laughing her ass off and had to stop dancing… back then i was like.. oh i get it… now how the heck you do that again???
          therefore the quest…

          and yeah that guy’s kind of my hero too. i have just one more video on which i think he appears but not nearly as extensive as this one.

      • jovi 9:56 am on February 21, 2009Permalink | Reply

        Very nice Tom. Every 10 sek is something great and new.

        As soon as the dance ended reference pictures to other dances apears and i clicked one. Maybe it is a useless move but fun to watch @1:07 and @2:1x :)
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kys287X15k

    • tommrod 12:33 pm on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      and can somebody explain me what does this guy do @ 00:16????
      check the lady’s reaction.
      not only that, playfulness rules through 00:48->00:51

      awesome display.

      http://www.nuevotec.com/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=38&page=view&catid=128&PageNo=1&key=20&hit=1

    • tommrod 12:38 pm on February 20, 2009Permalink | Reply

      last of today:

      1. do a two hand turn
      2. caress ladies arms with hands all the way to elbows.
      3. open ladies arms to a 180 degree angle aprox. side to side
      4. make her clap by suddenly closing your arms.

      get the picture?
      not familiar with timing here, but sure it has to play musically or else it won’t feel the same.

  • 10:26 pm on February 9, 2009 | 1 | # | Reply
    Tags: , spotting

    One of my instructors told me that doing shines is the best way to improve ones dancing. Come to think of it may not be the best way to improve dancing but sure would be fun. In his classes he teaches a shine routine which is pretty fast and says that if we practise this then it will improve our dancing a lot. Would there me any dvds of shines like those to a whole song that one could aim at mastering? Another thing he said was to spot while turning. I haven’t seen a lot of men spot while turning? Would this be a good strategy. It does hurt my neck a bit to spot.

     
    • jovi 12:53 pm on February 12, 2009Permalink | Reply

      Shines for man?

      nice body movement comes from strength, flexibility and esthetics(a kind of flow). This maybe can help you:
      http://www.salsavideo.ru/actions/tim2007.htm

      Another factor to improve dancing is to synchronize your movements with music. I mean if the foot touches the floor exact at the same time you hear a BAM in the music then your step looks powerfull(even it was a light footstep). If you move your hip to cascara/maracas it looks better than shaking some meat. Music is like lipstic, it makes people beatiful (if they have the right timeing).

      Use your brain is the most powerful thing. Anthonys videos are great, because he explains things. It is more important to understand what a rubberband effect is than just perform the move. There are many more hints. Use those to improve your own dancing-personality. (Only to succed the pattern is too simple, isn’t it?)

      Speed is also a challenging thing expecially when someone stars salsa dancing. Technique which was usefull to me was to download a player where you can change the speed of the music(most karaoke-players do that). If your timeing is right at the top speed … :)
      (don’t forget the body – music synchronization)

      Male dancers looks good on the danceflor not because they are nice looking(they will never be on the long run = after 2 till 3 songs). Male dancers becomes only then attractive when they succed to make the girl look like most sweetest, eyecatchy candy on the dancefloor. Or to make the girl look like the most excited person in the room. Therefore you have to pay attention at those three things: painfree, stressfree, alternation.

      painfree: means not to crash into other couples, unsuccessfull dips and to hold girl’s hand with the thumb while she is spinning.
      stressfree: is to signal the leadsigns in time. e.g. if you want the girl to turn, start to lift the hand 1count bevore the turn. You must not ignore girls shape and size, lead only patterns which are suited to the girl(your shape, size, speed and sthength are also important).
      alternation: is nice combinations. Some leaders are eable to make a nice dance by only using a vew patterns, some brings new patterns. Make the girl busy in a exciting way(=not too busy). If the girl want to be creative(=doing shines) let her do so.

      If a girl don’t smile or seems not to be excited, … , it’s disappointing, but you have to do your best at least to the end of the song.(your reward will be “yes” for the next song by another girl)

      To spot or not to spot, hope you can see the difference here:
      http://www.nuevotec.com/index.php?title=Social+dance+-+Joe+Burgos+and+Rebecca&option=com_zoom&Itemid=38&page=view&catid=160&PageNo=1&key=11&hit=1
      and I want to forward you a advice my medic told me “If something hurts, then your body is trying to tell you to stop doing that.” so don’t twirl your neck too wild.

      ———————————
      Salsa learning is fun … when i read my post it sounds like hard work.

  • Marco

    10:00 pm on February 9, 2009 | 1 | # | Reply
    Tags: Felicidades!!!

    Me and a couple of my good freinds got together and thought it would be nice to put this on for you…

     
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